warriors

[Rainstar]

what do you think

[frostlilly]

I don't think so. Cinderpelt would of noticed that Leafpool was pregnat. and wouldn't the book tell us from Squirrelflight's point of view?

[Rainstar]

ALL THE HINTS:

1. ask vicky and all see says is either : I COULDNT POSSIBLY COMENT or YIU WILL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE
2. in sunset brambleclaw notices that leafpool looks plump and it is leafbare
4. in the play script written by Erin leafpool wants to talk to crowfeather badly(what else would be the point of the script)
5. Jaypaw and his siblings are always fussed over by leafpool
6. Squirrelflight milk never came (could just be a flaw of the body, but why even put it in the book)
7. in dark river it says. SHE WAS ACTING LIKE HIS MOTHER(a thought of lionpaw twards leafpool)
8.DO NOT READ from here on out IF YOU HAVE NOT READ DARK RIVER THIS SPOILER FOR IT
when hollypaw goes missing the book specificly says LEAFPOOL SEEMED MORE WORRIED ABOUT HOLLYPAW THAN SQUIRRELFIGHT DID. so there are tons of other reasons i have found but here are some!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wildshadow]

i don't know if i agree with u, but u have some interesting evidence...
#6 no... actualy i think that is just when she was off doing warrior stuff

[cresentleaf]

i never thought all the rumors of jaypaw and his siblings being leafpools kits chould be true.but i see what you mean about all that stuff , im pretty sure lionpaw is squirrelflights kit i mean he looks just like her.but here sanother peice of evidence about jaypaw and hollypaw , there black and gray are brambleclaw and squirrelflight like that ?no but CROWFEATHER IS!it all fits i just cant really belive it i need to think about this.

[wildshadow]

tottaly! I thought before that they were reincarnations, but this makes much more sense.
Reincarnations:
Hollypaw=bluestar
Lionpaw=lionheart
Jaypaw=yellowfang
cuz, think, the three stars dream in SUNSET those were the people who 'were to shape leafpool's destiny forever'

[wildfire]

and now, I will disprove all of your theories:

1.Vicky never gives anything away and what'd you expect her to say, 'gee how'd you guess?' I don't think so

2.in Sunset, Leafpool wasn't the only cat Brambleclaw noticed was fat, he thought everycat in the clan was, he just pointed Leafpool out because she's normally skinny.

3.you skipped three

4.the point of the play was probably to show that they weren't getting back together, not that Leafpool was pregnant. It never even came close to saying that.

5.Leafpool fusses over Jaypaw and his siblings because they are the cats in the prophecy, 'there will be three, kin of your kin, that hold the power of stars in their paws' plus they're her sisters kits, and those to are close.

6.you said so yourself, that was just a flaw (and it really said that her milk didn't come in the book, wildshadow)

7.Lionpaw never thought that, Jaypaw did, and she was acting that way toward CINDERPAW. (because she's actually Cinderpelt)

8. Leafpool wanted to find Hollypaw so bad because Cinderpaw missed her, and Leafpool wanted make Cinderpaw as happy as possible. And it never said she was worrying more than Squirrelflight.

9. why would Tigerstar and Hawkfrost come to JAYPAW and Lionpaw if they weren't Brambleclaw's children? (and they would know if they weren't)

I guess that this means Jaypaw and Hollypaw and Lionpaw ARE NOT Leafpool and Crowfeather's children. and I added number nine.

[wildfire]

oh and also for number six, Erin had to explain why Ferncloud fed Squirrelflight's kits.

[[C]inderwing]

I think Hollypaw and Jaypaw are her kits.
{Spoilers for Dark River as your scroll down}
1.) Leafpool wanted very badly for Jaypaw to become her apprentice in The Sight. She seemed disappointed when he didn't want to.

2.) Like many mentioned, Leafpool was thought of to look plump near the end of Sunset.

3.) Yellowfang told Leafpool that she would tread a path that few medicine cats have before her. Why would Yellowfang, of all cats, tell to Leafpool when Spottedleaf was more like Leafpool's guide? It could be that since Yellowfang also had kits, she was in a way telling Leafpool she was having kits.

4.) In "After Sunset: We Need to Talk" Leafpool grew cold as Crowfeather mentioned his and Nightcloud's kits.

5.) In Dark River, there was a part where Leafpool started to get a little overprotective of Hollypaw. Hollypaw thought, StarClan, she sounds like my mother!. This could be just because Leafpool cares about her neice, but who knows?

6.) In Dark River, Leafpool says to Jaypaw that she always believed in him. To me, it sounded like a mother/son moment.

7.) Both Hollypaw and Jaypaw resemble Crowfeather in pelt color. Coincidence? Possibly, but I doubt it.

8.) In Dark River, when Leafpool and Jaypaw went to WindClan camp, Leafpool confronted Crowfeather angrilly. She said, "Some cats don't hide from their responsibilities!" and Jaypaw remembers feeling her grow tense.

Other then that, I don't have much else. But I still support the Crow+Leaf=Holly and Jay theroy.

[wildfire]

once again, let disprovation rein

1. Leafpool wanted Jaypaw to be her apprentice because she thought it was his destiny

2.like I said, ALL the cats were plump. so if your right, I guess everycat in Thunderclan is pregnant

3.Yellowfang having kits and talking to Leafpool was only a coincedence, and lately, her path has been alort weirder than mosts.

4.She was in love with Crowfeather, and little more than a moon after they broke up, he has kits with another cat? how would you not be cold

5.she said that she sounded like her mom, and pretty much everyone was telling Hollypaw off. How is that overprotective?

6.it could easily be a mentor/apprentice moment.

7.are you sure? genes work like this: dark pelt=dark pelt. Both Hollypaw and Brambleclaw have dark pelts, and Jaypaw is a tabby like Brambleclaw, AND Jaypaw's eyes are blue, like Cloudtails, not Crowfeathers

8.Leafpool was talking about Onestar when she said that, and she was telling off another clan's leader. I'd be tense too.

you still didn't explain about Tigerstar and Hawkfrost

[chellurton]

I don't really see it. There is no solid evidence, and wildfire brings up a good point with the Tigerstar thing. Leafpool wanted Jaypaw for an apprentice because she could tell he had a gift. Anyway, if that were the case the whole clan would have noticed that Squirrelfight wasn't the least bit pregnant. How did this rumor even get started? For that matter, what is this thread doing here? I wouldn't call this anything resembling a fan-fic.

[Rainstar]

*not bothering to login LOL*

ok about tigertsra and hawkfrost well they dont see EVERYthing and all they want is power of course they would still want hollypaw's lionpaw's and jaypaw's power!!

[cresentleaf]

ok people heres where i support the leaf+crow=holly&jay theroy

1.how can brambleclaw pass on his dark brown tabby pelt when there gray and black?

2.tigerstar might vist hollypaw and jaypaw only because more then his kin can be used you know!

3.it was leaf-bare at the end of sunset and leafpool was plump , what else but she was going to have kits

4.in after sunset we need to talk leafpool seems desperate to talk to crowfeather , and she had just turned away from him and she knew her responsiblites , make sense now wildfire?

5.im not saying squirrelflight wasnt pregnant , i bet her and leafpool had there kits on the same day and squirrelflight lost two kits and leafpool switched her two out with her when she was sleeping , OR they share a sisterly secret and squirrelflight keeps leafpools kits along with lionkit.

6.leafpool and crowfeather are very nervous around eachother , it might be cause they just broke up OR cause of her kits.

7.when crowfeather brought up his new kit leafpool was really cold inside , i mean crowfeather didnt say it with pride he said it kinda sadly , it might of been cause leafpool was there or it could of been the reason leafpool was so slow to tell him about her kits.

8.(i agree with you rainstar 100%)ok about tigerstar and hawkfrost well they dont see EVERYthing and all they want is power of course they would still want hollypaw's lionpaw's and jaypaw's power!!

i rest my case

[[C]inderwing]

8.Leafpool was talking about Onestar when she said that, and she was telling off another clan's leader. I'd be tense too.

No, she wasn't. I have the quote here.

SPOILER: Click to show

Crowfeather was circling them. "Then he shouldn't have sent anyone!"
Anger surged through Leafpool; Jaypaw felt it hot against his pelt. "Not every cat hides from his responsibilities!" she hissed.
Crowfeather halted. "Are you saying that's what I would do?"

Leafpool was addressing Crowfeather during that situation. And as for the Tigerstar Hawkfrost thing, I agree with Rainstar. They COULD know that they're Leafpool's kits, but don't want them to know in case it gets in the way of using their power.

[shadow]

Spoilers if you read on...






Wildfire, I give you this to ' disprove' as you seem to soooo enjoy doing.

Throughout the book Lionpaw is wondering why it is he Tigerstar and Hawkfrost visit, He thinks they should visit Jaypaw because he can speak to his ancestors, but he never gets a chance to ask them. It is very obvious, LIONPAW IS THE ONLY KIT OF SQUIRRELFLIGHT AND BRAMBLECLAW!

I think that Leafpool was helping Squirrelflight get back to camp, because once again Squirrelflight was trying to keep on task with her warrior duties and she was out hunting. While they were heading back, Leafpool goes into labor and the panicked Squirrelflight hurries her pregnancy along because she is so afraid. But neither of their milk came, that might explain why Squirrelflights did not come, it could be a family thing, didn't Sandstorm have trouble? I do not remember...

I also think that while Breezepaw was in the Nursery, ( he was a kit when the Thunderclan kits were born) Feathertail sent Crowfeather a dream, showing him a desperate Leafpool as she raced ahead of him, but he was blinded by snow, suddenly some of the snow turns red and kits begin to meow. With Feathertail repeating " Go find her! Go Find her! Leafpool! Find her!"

Crowfeather wakes up and storms off shoving past Nightcloud on his way into the snow, he races across the border to find her, he stays hidden but watches as she gives birth. Leafpool explains to her sister that she must not tell anyone about her and Crowfeather being the real parents. Crowfeather marvels at this and grows joyful. ( Could explain why he saved Jaypaw)/ ( because really, why would a tom who cannot swim ( he is from WC) risk his life to save a TC cat?)

Nightcloud has followed him, she sees Leafpool and the kits, but decides not to ruin her mates happy mood, it could explain why she is jealous of her.

It is so elaborate, because i am writing a fanfic on it.