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Post by Shadowstar on Nov 2, 2007 20:21:27 GMT -5
mmhm. I liked Brambleclaw, but I like Graystripe better as deputy.
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Post by Robinwing on Nov 30, 2007 23:03:36 GMT -5
I agree. Squirrelflight was being rude to Brambleclaw when he tried to apologize in Starlight, but then he was being the retard in Twilight. Then all of a sudden in Sunset they get right back together again in, like, a second. I would pick Ashfur over Bramblebutt(hehe). By the way, if you are interested in my fanfic, here it is: www.freewebs.com/heartsongsfanfictions
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Post by Sunshimmer on Dec 15, 2007 16:53:52 GMT -5
You must put yourself in Brableclaw's paws to truly understand. Pure bloody ambition, mixed with jealousy from losing his mate to Ashfur for a short time. Remember, his father's action are what caused him to be so lowly judged, ambitious, and stubborn. But Brambleclaw did not once say that he wanted to kill Firestar. It was simply the urge of his own evil kin that drove him to that position. He ended up not killing Firestar and earning the trust of Squirrelflight, and therefore making Ashfur darkly untrustworthy to any cat. Many times in the book he longs for Squirrelflight and tries to tell her he is sorry and loves her, but she ignores him and makes him mad. Brambleclaw may be Tigerstar's son and Hawkfrost's half-brother; but he is as loyal as any cat.
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Post by Mosspath on Dec 15, 2007 20:23:02 GMT -5
agreed
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Post by wildfire on Dec 15, 2007 23:11:03 GMT -5
yeah, but he stopped being a jerk, and everyone already forgave him except you guys, i mean i understand why your so mad a Brambleclaw, i mean for awhile i was really mad at him too, but he's better now, and besides, Tigerstar was controlling Brambleclaw and it wasn't Brambleclaws fault because in the book, it said it was hard to even think freely under Tigerstars gaze, and besides in the end he made the right choice,
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Post by Shadowstar on Dec 19, 2007 19:20:27 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe, but I still hate him.
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Post by ;R.o.c.k.y.w.a.v.e; on Jan 2, 2008 17:23:31 GMT -5
Brambleclaw *cough* slash butt *cough* is just so perfect. Nothing is really his fault. That's why I hate him.
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Post by wildfire on Jan 2, 2008 20:40:10 GMT -5
still Rockywave, there are alot of things that are totally Brambleclaw's fault, like Frostfur's death, or Bluestar's mentally ill state. jk, but really, there are things that are Brambleclaw's fault alone (and a bit shared with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost) and he's still thought badly of by some of his clanmates for being Tigerstar's son. He's had to fight hard for everything he has and I don't envy him for that.
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Post by wildfire on Jan 2, 2008 20:41:46 GMT -5
P.S. you can just call me the Brambleclaw defender
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Post by chellurton on Jan 4, 2008 19:38:25 GMT -5
I like Brambleclaw. I don't think he is portrayed as perfect. He struggles, like any normal person should, between good and evil. Only his struggle is much more difficult than that of many. I dislike Firestar, bucase he was too perfect. I was never mad at Brambleclaw. Sure he said a few mean things and made a few mistakes, but that made me like him more. He's flawed, so am I, so are you. Squirrelflight pissed me off a little. In my opinion she was the jerk. She was being so stubborn about it the whole time, and a bit of a pessimist about Brambleclaw's ambitions. Ambition does not equal evil, only if you go by evil means to acheive it. Brambleclaw didn't do that. He bacame deputy by being loyal and when the chance came to murder Firestar to become leader, he passed it up. He feels antagonism toward Ashfur in the same way Nightcloud is antagonized by Leafpool, he knows that Ashfur is in love with his mate and it unsettles him. Ashfur didn't handle rejection to well, and his ambition to make Squrrelflight choose him could lead him to dark places too.
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Post by Minty on Jan 4, 2008 19:53:29 GMT -5
chellurton - couldn't agree more! R.O.C.K.Y.W.A.V.E - Bramblecaw is in no ways perfect and neither does he think he is
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Post by wildfire on Jan 4, 2008 22:16:42 GMT -5
that's what I'm sayin', chellurton. though I didn't use so many words.
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Post by wildfire on Jan 4, 2008 22:17:11 GMT -5
(sry, I was havin a weird moment)
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Post by chellurton on Jan 5, 2008 18:06:49 GMT -5
that's what I'm sayin', chellurton. though I didn't use so many words. Yeah, I just decided to expand a little. : ]
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Post by Shadowstar on Jan 25, 2008 20:09:11 GMT -5
Okay, wow, people were having a conversation on my story... I don't like Brambleclaw because of Garsytripe's deputyship, and I liked the AshxSquirrel pairing more. And wow, Autumnstorm, Silverfog, this was all before WC, and we were actually having an ARGUMENT. wow...
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